Late Sunday Update
Played the Party and Stars $200s yesterday. Chipped up to about 4000 pretty early but then fizzled out. Got some chips pretty early at Party via this hand:
***** Hand History for Game 2231922939 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13234622) - Sun Jun 19 17:15:43 EDT 2005
Table $350K Guaranteed(356927) Table 93 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: UNCLEGE (1540)
Seat 2: savemyskin (1570)
Seat 3: thonda79 (3655)
Seat 4: Mark412 (1485)
Seat 5: greatone2 (1650)
Seat 6: cjaugie (1355)
Seat 7: chazz0035 (1685)
Seat 8: America_One (1020)
Seat 9: hartvey1 (1755)
Seat 10: rongT_rongT (745)
hartvey1 posts small blind (15)
rongT_rongT posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to savemyskin [ 7c, 6c ]
UNCLEGE calls (30)
savemyskin calls (30)
thonda79 folds.
Mark412 folds.
greatone2 folds.
cjaugie folds.
chazz0035 folds.
America_One raises (95) to 95
hartvey1 folds.
rongT_rongT folds.
UNCLEGE calls (65)
savemyskin calls (65)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, Ac, Jh ]
UNCLEGE checks.
savemyskin checks.
America_One bets (330)
UNCLEGE calls (330)
savemyskin raises (1475) to 1475
savemyskin is all-In.
America_One folds.
UNCLEGE calls (1115)
UNCLEGE is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
chazz0035: lol
Creating Main Pot with $3550 with UNCLEGE
Creating Side Pot 1 with $30 with savemyskin
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3550 | Side Pot 1: 30
Board: [ Tc Ac Jh 6h 9c ]
UNCLEGE balance 0, lost 1540 [ Ah Qh ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ac,Qh,Jh,Tc ]
savemyskin balance 3580, bet 1570, collected 3580, net +2010 [ 7c 6c ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Tc,9c,7c,6c ]
thonda79 balance 3655, didn't bet (folded)
Mark412 balance 1485, didn't bet (folded)
greatone2 balance 1650, didn't bet (folded)
cjaugie balance 1355, didn't bet (folded)
chazz0035 balance 1685, didn't bet (folded)
America_One balance 595, lost 425 (folded)
hartvey1 balance 1740, lost 15 (folded)
rongT_rongT balance 715, lost 30 (folded)
Donkey donkey? I don't know. You tell me. It seemed like a good situation to take a shot.
The next hand, America_One jammed for the rest of his chips with 33 and I woke up with QQ. That was probably my peak, around 4300. I went pretty card dead for the next few hours and floated around between 2500 and 4000. With about 3200 and blinds at 150-300, a guy who had just lost a big pot jammed for 1800 or so with what turned out to be Q3o. I shoved with TT and of course the button had AA and IGHN. Oh well.
Bet Update: +$12,311. I've only played one Party 30 session since I got home from Vegas, but it was a good one putting me a little bit ahead of Matt in our bet. Things will pick up after the Series, but neither of us are playing the game much these days.
I'm heading back out to Vegas in 24 hours. I'll play the 1500 NLH, 2500 NLH, and 2500 PLH events. Updates to come.
***** Hand History for Game 2231922939 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13234622) - Sun Jun 19 17:15:43 EDT 2005
Table $350K Guaranteed(356927) Table 93 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: UNCLEGE (1540)
Seat 2: savemyskin (1570)
Seat 3: thonda79 (3655)
Seat 4: Mark412 (1485)
Seat 5: greatone2 (1650)
Seat 6: cjaugie (1355)
Seat 7: chazz0035 (1685)
Seat 8: America_One (1020)
Seat 9: hartvey1 (1755)
Seat 10: rongT_rongT (745)
hartvey1 posts small blind (15)
rongT_rongT posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to savemyskin [ 7c, 6c ]
UNCLEGE calls (30)
savemyskin calls (30)
thonda79 folds.
Mark412 folds.
greatone2 folds.
cjaugie folds.
chazz0035 folds.
America_One raises (95) to 95
hartvey1 folds.
rongT_rongT folds.
UNCLEGE calls (65)
savemyskin calls (65)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, Ac, Jh ]
UNCLEGE checks.
savemyskin checks.
America_One bets (330)
UNCLEGE calls (330)
savemyskin raises (1475) to 1475
savemyskin is all-In.
America_One folds.
UNCLEGE calls (1115)
UNCLEGE is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
chazz0035: lol
Creating Main Pot with $3550 with UNCLEGE
Creating Side Pot 1 with $30 with savemyskin
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3550 | Side Pot 1: 30
Board: [ Tc Ac Jh 6h 9c ]
UNCLEGE balance 0, lost 1540 [ Ah Qh ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ac,Qh,Jh,Tc ]
savemyskin balance 3580, bet 1570, collected 3580, net +2010 [ 7c 6c ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Tc,9c,7c,6c ]
thonda79 balance 3655, didn't bet (folded)
Mark412 balance 1485, didn't bet (folded)
greatone2 balance 1650, didn't bet (folded)
cjaugie balance 1355, didn't bet (folded)
chazz0035 balance 1685, didn't bet (folded)
America_One balance 595, lost 425 (folded)
hartvey1 balance 1740, lost 15 (folded)
rongT_rongT balance 715, lost 30 (folded)
Donkey donkey? I don't know. You tell me. It seemed like a good situation to take a shot.
The next hand, America_One jammed for the rest of his chips with 33 and I woke up with QQ. That was probably my peak, around 4300. I went pretty card dead for the next few hours and floated around between 2500 and 4000. With about 3200 and blinds at 150-300, a guy who had just lost a big pot jammed for 1800 or so with what turned out to be Q3o. I shoved with TT and of course the button had AA and IGHN. Oh well.
Bet Update: +$12,311. I've only played one Party 30 session since I got home from Vegas, but it was a good one putting me a little bit ahead of Matt in our bet. Things will pick up after the Series, but neither of us are playing the game much these days.
I'm heading back out to Vegas in 24 hours. I'll play the 1500 NLH, 2500 NLH, and 2500 PLH events. Updates to come.
posted by Chris Fargis at 11:00 AM
9 Comments:
I don't like the push with the flush draw. With that broadway flop you have almost no fold equity. Most of the time you're just dumping in your money as a 2-1 dog when you are almost certain to be called.
Keep us updated while in Vegas!
Matt-
I actually think I have a lot of fold equity here. The preflop raiser is going to bet the flop no matter what he has. He might have a piece of that flop, he might have some medium pair, or he might have missed the board completely. If he has an underpair or a miss obviously he folds. Even if he has a piece (i.e. KT, QJ, QT, etc), he may fold here with the third player having called his bet before I jammed.
As for the other guy, I put him on a small to medium ace. I think most players will fold a hand like A5s or A9 here rather than risk their whole stack. What hand do you give him when he limp-calls preflop and then check-calls the flop with me behind him? I assumed he would have check-raised with AK, AQ, AJ, AT because it's a scary flop.
The preflop raiser folded so obviously I have fold equity from him. I read the other guy wrong (who plays AQ like that?!), but I still maintain that I have some fold equity from the range of hands he can check-call the flop with. Sometimes he will wake up with a hand and call me but even then I'm not in terrible shape putting in 1475 on the flop to win 3580 on a 2-1 shot.
You're putting in 1475 to win 2105 on a 2-1 shot.
Oops. What Matt said.
the only way i can see it folding is if the 2nd guy has clubs also
some guy on party poker that calls pre with a bad ace and hits it, then calls 330 isn't folding
at first i also thought his playing AQ that way is terrible but on 2nd thought if he raises that flop he's only getting called when behind unless you or the original raiser is a real moron, might as well let someone else bet it for him if he is ahead
With that type of flop, and the original raiser betting a large percentage of his stack, I think you will be called by at least one opponent nearly 100% of the time. Especially on Party.
Overall the play is just too risky if you want to survive in the tournament. I think you can just assume you will be out 2/3 of the time and have a big stack 1/3 of the time. But that might be a good thing for time/value considerations.
Joe-
You just said both:
- "He should play AQ the way he did because if he raises he's only getting called if he's behind."
and
- "You shouldn't make that raise because people on Party will call even when they're supposed to be behind."
You can't have it both ways. Either Party players are good and you shouldn't raise in situations like the first one, or they're donkeys and you shouldn't raise in situations like the second.
Matt-
I'm not in tournaments to survive and I don't mind making risky plays to get chips. I still think I have a lot more fold equity than you think. The guy with A6s really check-calls the flop and then calls my jam for the rest of his stack? I'm not saying I haven't seen it happen, but...
I totally understand the approach of taking calculated risks, like raising with a draw, to gather chips. I just can't seem to do it myself. But maybe that's why I am the guy hanging around forever with no chips.
The article about John Phan in this week's cardplayer has some interesting ideas about this - he say to note the players who will raise with draws, because they are the ones with a chance to win the tournament.
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