Omaha For Your Momaha...
...that's what my friend Van calls it anyway. Sorry for the lack of posts this week. I've been busy with non-poker stuff. When I have been working, it's been Omaha and Triple Draw online. Some fun Omaha hands from the Pokerstars 30-60 game tonight:
- Aggressive player raises in the cutoff, I call in BB with AKJT. Flop K53, I check-call. Turn T, I check-raise, CO three-bets, I call. River A, I check and crying call. CO shows A246. Keep three-betting the turn heads up with those draws, donkey. Heeeee-aw. Turns out my equity is only 58% here, but still.
- Two limpers, I raise in SB with Ac Ad 3d 4c, all call. Flop 9c 9x 2x. I bet, last limper calls. Turn Jc, bet-call. River 7c (I make the nut flush), I bet, he raises, I call, he shows Q982. Oh you HAD the Q982 buddy. Good hand.
Man, Omaha is a frustrating game. But then sometimes...
- I limp with Ah 2s 5c 6h, two more limpers, SB raises, BB calls, I decide to three-bet, all call, SB caps, all call. Flop Kh 6c 4h. Checked to me, I bet, L1 calls, L2 raises, SB folds, BB calls, I three-bet, all call. Turn 8c, BB checks, I bet, L1 calls, L2 raises, BB calls, I three-bet, L2 caps, all call. River Th, I bet, L1 folds, L2 calls, BB calls, I scoop, give me all the money. BB shows Td 8d 3s 2c for two pair and the third best low. L2 shows 8h 7h 5s 2h for a smaller flush (and a straight), and a worse low. Yummy.
- Aggressive player raises in the cutoff, I call in BB with AKJT. Flop K53, I check-call. Turn T, I check-raise, CO three-bets, I call. River A, I check and crying call. CO shows A246. Keep three-betting the turn heads up with those draws, donkey. Heeeee-aw. Turns out my equity is only 58% here, but still.
- Two limpers, I raise in SB with Ac Ad 3d 4c, all call. Flop 9c 9x 2x. I bet, last limper calls. Turn Jc, bet-call. River 7c (I make the nut flush), I bet, he raises, I call, he shows Q982. Oh you HAD the Q982 buddy. Good hand.
Man, Omaha is a frustrating game. But then sometimes...
- I limp with Ah 2s 5c 6h, two more limpers, SB raises, BB calls, I decide to three-bet, all call, SB caps, all call. Flop Kh 6c 4h. Checked to me, I bet, L1 calls, L2 raises, SB folds, BB calls, I three-bet, all call. Turn 8c, BB checks, I bet, L1 calls, L2 raises, BB calls, I three-bet, L2 caps, all call. River Th, I bet, L1 folds, L2 calls, BB calls, I scoop, give me all the money. BB shows Td 8d 3s 2c for two pair and the third best low. L2 shows 8h 7h 5s 2h for a smaller flush (and a straight), and a worse low. Yummy.
posted by Chris Fargis at 4:15 AM
11 Comments:
Regarding the fellow with the straight six-wrap, and his turn three bet, I can hardly call this a bad raise. Semi-bluff raising with 42% equity can't be a mistake. In fact, I'd go so far as saying that check-raising naked top-two is a bigger mistake.
Be careful who you call a donkey. Such condesention towards your opponents is going to cause you to underestimate their strengths, and for you to overlook your leeks. This hand is a pefect example of both.
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Can you, anonymous poster, explain how three-betting the turn with 42% equity instead of just calling isn't a mistake? I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong but would love an explanation.
Chris,
Because you can get a better hand to fold if you raise, whereas you cannot if you call. With 42% equity, he does not need to fold very often for this to be profitable.
Whoever posted that last comment, read the hand again. My opponent had the 42% equity and he was the one doing the three-betting. I agree that I should raise at every opportunity heads up with 58% equity.
I didn't speak clearly. Yes, I understood the hand correctly.
As an excercise, do the math and determine how often the check-raiser must fold for the three bet to be profitable.
I'd also like to point out that you are being very resutls oriented. If after being three bet in that spot with KT two pair, you estimate your equity to be 58% you are missing something.
Sure, you happend to have 58% equity this time, but you were lucky.
Oh, okay. Now I see the point you're trying to make about my opponent three-betting. What hands would I check-raise with and fold to a three-bet? I can't think of any.
I agree that I am being results-oriented in my analysis, but to be honest I gave him exactly what he had when he three-bet me. A set is unlikely. He could also have had AA24 or something similar. In any case, I can't see how folding to a three-bet can be correct but I agree that just calling the turn may be better.
Ok, so you wouldn't fold any hands here. But what about the generic 30/60 o8 player? He's not really playing against you specifically, unless you two have a long history. When you judge another players play, it's important to recontextualize it from their perspecitive.
What fraction of the gamut of hands that check-raise him on the turn in that spot will fold immediatly? How about on the river to a bluff?
And then going one more level deep, will this behaviour on his part (semi-bluff capping with strong draws) buy him extra action with his monsters? What about allowing him more free cards when he needs them?
Can you name some of these hands that the generic 30-60 O8 player check-raises the turn with and then folds to a three-bet?
Yes, this play gets him more action when he has a big hand, without a doubt.
the first hand where the villian flopped a big wrap and three bet the turn wasn't that bad of a play. check-raising with top two pair in a hi-lo split game is about as donkish as it gets. he may have only had a 42% equity, but he knew if he hit one of his outs, he was going to scoop the entire pot. the three bet was the only semi-curious move, but i would say you played it worse than he did. just my $.02
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